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		By: Adrian S. Nastase		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian S. Nastase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2015 21:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/differential-amplifier-output-common-mode-voltage-calculator/#comment-27361&quot;&gt;Dana Knight&lt;/a&gt;.

Nope, the model does not need to change. You get a NaN result because R1 appears at the denominator of the transfer function. What happens, physically, when you make R1 zero? R2 does not matter any more, and the output takes a value that corresponds to the current given by the difference between V1 and V2 divided by R3. So, there is a solution. 

You get a NaN because the computer cannot divide by zero. It is the server response to a division by zero. If you want to find the solution, all you have to do is to make R1 very small, like 0.01 ohms. In that case the solution is Vout = 14.06V and Vocm = 12V (when the rest of the parameters are R3 = 1k, R2 = 20k, R4 = 20k, tolerance = 1%, V1 = 12.10V, V2 = 12V).

I am curious. Why would you make R1 zero in a differential amplifier and achieve such a high imbalance? Do you have a practical application?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/differential-amplifier-output-common-mode-voltage-calculator/#comment-27361">Dana Knight</a>.</p>
<p>Nope, the model does not need to change. You get a NaN result because R1 appears at the denominator of the transfer function. What happens, physically, when you make R1 zero? R2 does not matter any more, and the output takes a value that corresponds to the current given by the difference between V1 and V2 divided by R3. So, there is a solution. </p>
<p>You get a NaN because the computer cannot divide by zero. It is the server response to a division by zero. If you want to find the solution, all you have to do is to make R1 very small, like 0.01 ohms. In that case the solution is Vout = 14.06V and Vocm = 12V (when the rest of the parameters are R3 = 1k, R2 = 20k, R4 = 20k, tolerance = 1%, V1 = 12.10V, V2 = 12V).</p>
<p>I am curious. Why would you make R1 zero in a differential amplifier and achieve such a high imbalance? Do you have a practical application?</p>
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		By: Dana Knight		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you set R1 to 0 you get a NaN result, model has to be
changed to accommodate that.

Regards, Dana.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you set R1 to 0 you get a NaN result, model has to be<br />
changed to accommodate that.</p>
<p>Regards, Dana.</p>
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		By: taher benisa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another great article. Thanks for the good work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great article. Thanks for the good work.</p>
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		By: Ben Caris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Caris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/differential-amplifier-output-common-mode-voltage-calculator/#comment-7050&quot;&gt;Ian de Vries&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Ian,

common mode voltage error IS dependent on gain, but indeed not proportionally to it. If you increase the gain by a factor 10, to common mode voltage error will increase much less than a factor 10.
So if you need a differential amplfier consisting of two gain stages, it is best to make as much gain as possible with the first amplifier to obtain a common mode voltage error on the output of the second stage that is as small as possible.

Ben.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/differential-amplifier-output-common-mode-voltage-calculator/#comment-7050">Ian de Vries</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Ian,</p>
<p>common mode voltage error IS dependent on gain, but indeed not proportionally to it. If you increase the gain by a factor 10, to common mode voltage error will increase much less than a factor 10.<br />
So if you need a differential amplfier consisting of two gain stages, it is best to make as much gain as possible with the first amplifier to obtain a common mode voltage error on the output of the second stage that is as small as possible.</p>
<p>Ben.</p>
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		By: Ian de Vries		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ahh and one more thing...
it appears that the common mode votlage error is NOT dependent on GAIN, but only resistor tolerance..
If this is the case than i guess we should have as mcuh gain as possible, which will reduce the effective output error due to the common mode votlage?
it obviously will affect the gain, but if offsets are more of a problem then higher gain seems to be the wya to go?
ciao]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh and one more thing&#8230;<br />
it appears that the common mode votlage error is NOT dependent on GAIN, but only resistor tolerance..<br />
If this is the case than i guess we should have as mcuh gain as possible, which will reduce the effective output error due to the common mode votlage?<br />
it obviously will affect the gain, but if offsets are more of a problem then higher gain seems to be the wya to go?<br />
ciao</p>
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		By: Ian de Vries		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello

i really enjoyed this common mode voltage error calculator..
BUT maybe you should add that the Vocm can be positive or negative,
ciao
ian]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello</p>
<p>i really enjoyed this common mode voltage error calculator..<br />
BUT maybe you should add that the Vocm can be positive or negative,<br />
ciao<br />
ian</p>
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