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		By: Adrian S. Nastase		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian S. Nastase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2020 17:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-46471&quot;&gt;Tamas Kolb&lt;/a&gt;.

That is correct. The article talks about the output impedance in band.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-46471">Tamas Kolb</a>.</p>
<p>That is correct. The article talks about the output impedance in band.</p>
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		By: Tamas Kolb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tamas Kolb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2020 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello,

please note, that Ao has a complete frequency dependent form that is usually estimated as a 2 or 3 pole System (the opamp itself is a 2 or 3 pole System). This means, Ao(w)=(Ao*w1*w2*w3)/(s+w1)(s+w2)(s+w3). All this stuff means that as frequency increases, Ao greatly decreases and eventually the output impedance of the opamp becomes very high. All the calculations in the above post only applies to DC voltages. If you build a regulator circuit with an opamp for example to work on 50kHz, you might want to have a look at the output impedance at 50kHz and check what the voltage drop is inside the opamp that causes an error on the input of the next stage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>please note, that Ao has a complete frequency dependent form that is usually estimated as a 2 or 3 pole System (the opamp itself is a 2 or 3 pole System). This means, Ao(w)=(Ao*w1*w2*w3)/(s+w1)(s+w2)(s+w3). All this stuff means that as frequency increases, Ao greatly decreases and eventually the output impedance of the opamp becomes very high. All the calculations in the above post only applies to DC voltages. If you build a regulator circuit with an opamp for example to work on 50kHz, you might want to have a look at the output impedance at 50kHz and check what the voltage drop is inside the opamp that causes an error on the input of the next stage.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do both the inverting and non-inverting topologies have the same output impedance? I am noticing that they will be the same circuit when calculating output impedance?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do both the inverting and non-inverting topologies have the same output impedance? I am noticing that they will be the same circuit when calculating output impedance?</p>
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		By: Adrian S. Nastase		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian S. Nastase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 05:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-35460&quot;&gt;chia&lt;/a&gt;.

The output resistance does not depend on the input source, being it DC or sinusoidal. It is a fixed value. This article shows a method to calculate the output resistance, when feedback is present. Because Rout does not depend on the input source, the input is connected to ground for this calculation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-35460">chia</a>.</p>
<p>The output resistance does not depend on the input source, being it DC or sinusoidal. It is a fixed value. This article shows a method to calculate the output resistance, when feedback is present. Because Rout does not depend on the input source, the input is connected to ground for this calculation.</p>
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		By: Dr. Hadi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Hadi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 02:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello all. while the Ro of the non-inverting or inverting amplifier is very low for small signal that is not the case at all for large signals (MPP close to 2Vcc). Does anyone have the derivation for this scenario. Ro large signal is in the 300-400 ohm range]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all. while the Ro of the non-inverting or inverting amplifier is very low for small signal that is not the case at all for large signals (MPP close to 2Vcc). Does anyone have the derivation for this scenario. Ro large signal is in the 300-400 ohm range</p>
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		By: chia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2016 14:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t understand why the positive input of the op can be seen as connect to ground?
For fixed value voltage source?If I use a sinusoidal source , equation(10) cannot be used anymore?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand why the positive input of the op can be seen as connect to ground?<br />
For fixed value voltage source?If I use a sinusoidal source , equation(10) cannot be used anymore?</p>
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		By: Adrian S. Nastase		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian S. Nastase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 21:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-35153&quot;&gt;Alteregoxxx&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, the equations are correct. Figure 3 shows that  if * R1 + vd = 0 (with the current sense I chose for if)

Therefore if = -vd / R1. 

The same Figure 3 shows that Vout = if (R1 +R2).

Equation (11) shows Rout which is correct. Ro/(R1 + R2) cannot be negative, as you say, because that would make Rout negative. A negative resistor means that it has energy (has a power source) which would not make sense in this case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-35153">Alteregoxxx</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, the equations are correct. Figure 3 shows that  if * R1 + vd = 0 (with the current sense I chose for if)</p>
<p>Therefore if = -vd / R1. </p>
<p>The same Figure 3 shows that Vout = if (R1 +R2).</p>
<p>Equation (11) shows Rout which is correct. Ro/(R1 + R2) cannot be negative, as you say, because that would make Rout negative. A negative resistor means that it has energy (has a power source) which would not make sense in this case.</p>
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		By: Alteregoxxx		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alteregoxxx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2016 11:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-31178&quot;&gt;Adrian S. Nastase&lt;/a&gt;.

Uhmmm...No.

if=Vd/R1 (Passive sign convention, IMHO, that&#039;s an error in the calculation...)

Vout = -if (R1+R2) , again, passive sign convention.

Then, Vout = -(Vd/R1) * (R1+R2), that&#039;s anyway correct.

The fact that if = Vd/R1, without the minus sign, lead to an error in the final Rout formula where the part (R0/R1+R2) has to have a minus sign.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-31178">Adrian S. Nastase</a>.</p>
<p>Uhmmm&#8230;No.</p>
<p>if=Vd/R1 (Passive sign convention, IMHO, that&#8217;s an error in the calculation&#8230;)</p>
<p>Vout = -if (R1+R2) , again, passive sign convention.</p>
<p>Then, Vout = -(Vd/R1) * (R1+R2), that&#8217;s anyway correct.</p>
<p>The fact that if = Vd/R1, without the minus sign, lead to an error in the final Rout formula where the part (R0/R1+R2) has to have a minus sign.</p>
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		By: Adrian S. Nastase		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian S. Nastase]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-31064&quot;&gt;Maron&lt;/a&gt;.

Look at Figure 3. The feedback current &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; flows through R2 and R1. The voltage drop on R1 is equal with &lt;em&gt;vd&lt;/em&gt;, but negative, due to the Kirchhoff law on the loop made by the non-inverting input, the inverting input, R1 and ground. So we can write the feedback current as being 

if = -vd / R1. 

Also, on the loop made by &lt;em&gt;vout&lt;/em&gt;, R2 and R1 we can write the equation 

vout = if * (R1 + R2). 

And since if = -vd / R1, the equation can be written as 

vout = -vd/R1 * (R1 + R2).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://masteringelectronicsdesign.com/the-non-inverting-amplifier-output-resistance/#comment-31064">Maron</a>.</p>
<p>Look at Figure 3. The feedback current <em>if</em> flows through R2 and R1. The voltage drop on R1 is equal with <em>vd</em>, but negative, due to the Kirchhoff law on the loop made by the non-inverting input, the inverting input, R1 and ground. So we can write the feedback current as being </p>
<p>if = -vd / R1. </p>
<p>Also, on the loop made by <em>vout</em>, R2 and R1 we can write the equation </p>
<p>vout = if * (R1 + R2). </p>
<p>And since if = -vd / R1, the equation can be written as </p>
<p>vout = -vd/R1 * (R1 + R2).</p>
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		By: Maron		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 19:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How did you get equation 7? Is it from Vd/Vout = (R1+R2)/R1 ? Why is it negative?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did you get equation 7? Is it from Vd/Vout = (R1+R2)/R1 ? Why is it negative?</p>
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